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Hard Copy Publishing

PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:16 am
by Onix
It's great to have a nicely laid out PDF file for your tablet. It's even nicer to have a dead tree of your book sitting on the table as you game with your buds.

I've used a few POD services for publishing games. I've used three, if anyone has used others, please talk about it here. I'm more and more realizing that some people find hard copy publishing very intimidating. I failed many times trying to print books, in fact I just ordered a proof from Drivethru and it came out wrong so I could see why people might be nervous about it.

Let me say that having that real book in front of you at the game table is worth the trouble.

So whats the "best" pod service out there? That really depends.

lulu.com This is the first service I used. To my knowledge it was the first platform that was all web based and it shows by their refined tools. Lulu is probably the best service for printing off a personal copy of a book that you want just for yourself. Their cover editor is the most powerful and flexible.

You can make a simple cover from just the templates they have or a full art wrap around cover if you're feeling adventurous. The other nice thing about lulu is that their bindings are high quality and they last. That wasn't always the case and I think they learned from it.

My young daughter published her book through lulu and did it mostly by herself. You do need to have either a copy of Adobe Acrobat or something that can print to Ghostscript to get a properly built PDF though. Their biggest requirement is that all fonts must be fully embedded. Really that's a low bar for these services though since they all require it.

Their biggest downside is their books can be pricey. You are paying for quality though.

Amazon Createspace I currently use this service for The Artifact. Their web tools are close to lulu's for their flexibility. Their cover creator is a little less powerful than lulu's. When submitting a file, there's a less automated approval process that takes time, so there's less instant gratification but possibly more safety measures in place. I've had fewer bad proofs from Createspace but that might just be me having some experience. They require you to buy a proof copy and then approve it when you receive it. In a way this is nice, but when you make a minor change and then have to order a whole new copy to make the change live it's a pain.

Createspace is cheaper than Lulu and Drivethru. I've also had some bindings fail with Createspace after sustained use. They seem to be getting better. The color quality for their books is also not quite as crisp, so if you have a lot of art that you're really proud of, Createspace is less attractive. All in all though, you can sell a Createspace book at a reasonable price and still make some money off the sale.

The technical requirements for Createspace is about the same as Lulu, but their cover editor requires more work if you want a wrap around cover.

Drivethru RPG I've always been terrified of trying to print with Drivethru, I'm getting ready to launch my first printed title through them (soon?). Their process for simply setting up a publisher page is byzantine and I heard their requirements for pdfs is stringent so I was always reluctant to try.

So, yes, their requirements are a real pain to try and get right. I technically haven't gotten them right yet, but they are slightly flexible on them. Their cover creation process is weird. You have to go to a website and request a template be emailed to you and you must use the template or the cover will be rejected. There are two programs they approve of you making your book in, Indesign and Scribus. If you made the book in any other program, there's no guidance on how to meet their requirements. They have a step by step walk through of how to use those two programs to produce a finished layout though. Like Createspace, Drivethru requires a proof be ordered when you upload a new file. There's also a lengthy approval process by the printer.

Because I spent a few years learning how to trick lulu into printing my books that they thought wouldn't print I may be able to cheat my way through their process. The cover I made through their approved process turned out with bad color reproduction. My interior that I made with my own process looks really good. That might be a difference in the machines that print the interiors and the covers though.

As far as quality, I've gotten one proof so far. The binding feels good, but I can't say for certain until I've used it for a few months. I ordered their premium paper and the interior color reproduction looks great and the printing is crisp. I'd assume its less crisp on their standard paper. Interior light grays are a lot lighter than expected, but that's a minor issue. My cover color reproduction is lousy. I don't know if that's because the process for generating the PDF is not quite right, but I followed their cover creation process for that as well as I could.

Drivethru has the advantage that they're a market place for RPGs and the people on the website are looking for RPGs. I may get as many downloads of The Artifact on Drivethru as I do from my own website. So if you're ultimate goal is to sell a game, Drivethru may be a good platform for you despite it's technical hurdles.

Hope this is useful to someone looking at printing, enjoy!

Re: Hard Copy Publishing

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:55 am
by kumakami
keep us up dated!! good stuff so far

Re: Hard Copy Publishing

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:51 pm
by Onix
Yes! I completed my publishing through Drive thru. I've settled with the poor color reproduction on the cover, I've just accepted that at this point. Everything else is of good quality.

Drive thru has a publisher point system that allows you to do things like send promotional emails, have a product featured, and promotion called deal of the day. I think I may have to wait for a year for my deal of the day to come up though.

Each month you get ten publisher points and you can spend them to promote your product, which is a nice little system.

Re: Hard Copy Publishing

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:42 am
by kumakami
so far drive thru sounds great

Re: Hard Copy Publishing

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:15 am
by Onix
But the most difficult to publish through. Lulu is easiest, then Createspace with Drivethru being the most difficult to get right. But Drive thru has the added advantage that they support you as a publisher.

Another tip, since we all like publishing free games, I had hundreds and hundreds of publisher points because The Artifact has been up on drive thru for years and years and didn't spend the points. Even if a free game isn't going to make you money, it could earn you publisher points to promote your games.

Re: Hard Copy Publishing

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:44 pm
by kylesgames
Since I hope to launch Segira this week, that's a good thing to know.

Re: Hard Copy Publishing

PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:47 pm
by madunkieg
Onix,

I'll still use DriveThru to distribute copies after the Kickstarter is over, but I'd like to explore other options, too. I'll have to contact various rpg companies and find out what printers they used.

Re: Hard Copy Publishing

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:35 pm
by Onix
I have heard of other POD printers, but the big three that I'm aware of are Lulu Createspace and Drivethru. I think I've pointed out that they all have their upsides and downsides and they're distinct from each other. I guess the question is, what are you looking to get from a different printer? Lower cost? Higher quality? Ease of use?

There are of course offset printers. I really don't know a thing about who to talk to for those, I've never had that high a demand for books. I've only heard of designers printing in China and having the books shipped and some interesting misadventures there.